You all might want to go check out wikipedia. In 2008 I started an article on Kim. Due to over-editing, admins decided to remove it since she was not a “notable person”. Well looks like she has an article again. I submitted some verifiable, referenced items in there. I encourage all to add and edit, who have good information to post. Just remember with Wikipedia you most reference EVERYTHING you post.
Finally a post not related to Tae Yun Kim’s cult.
My friend who lives in San Francisco, lets call her Pam; Met a new guy at a bar last week; everything is going great; he is a lawyer; successful, etc.
Well Pam noticed new guy never says where he lives, he’s very closed. He lives in a house with other people ( little bit strange considering he is a successful attorney) and he just seems a little bit more closed off than he should…
So Tuesday she gets invited over to the house for “game night”.. she’s prepared for scrabble and monopoly… little did she know what she was walking in to. Game night was in fact a brainwashing session where she got bullied into admitting things that she didn’t even understand. Needless to say she is one smart free thinking cookie and got her ass out of there.
I don’t really want to link it, as I don’t want to give it anymore link ability than it already has. Apparently deep in SF, in the saint francis wood lays what pam described as the “sex compound” of a group called “the welcomed consensus” … they focus on a “technique” of training the woman to have a DO which is their special speak for deliberate orgasm… ya…
So anyway, cults are apparently alive a well in northern California. Give it a Google or search on YouTube for some chuckles.
There is very few times I can think of where the “traditional” cult brain washing techniques were actually employed. What I now realize is that it did not take a high frequency of application in order to “brain wash” us.
I was probably 13, so this must have been 1996. That would be my second year in COL.
We had a long “COL class” the night before… Meaning a yelling at us session. We were told the next morning there would be special training. As I recall we collectively “did something wrong” It was probably sexual.. I don’t remember… i was too young to care, or for it to matter.
Anyway.. we were up to probably 3-5am… and then 2 hours later, at 7 instructors showed up at our house.. told us to get dressed and bring our Tae Kwon Do uniform to the academy, Jung SuWon. So I get my ass up, tired beyond belief and ride with someone down to JSW. We all get in our uniform, line up, and suddenly its like sparring time? Are you kidding me? It’s 7am… I have no sleep…. and I’m supposed to take kicks from some asshole twice my size… I don’t think so… So I play hooky along with one of the other “young warriors” and I go sleep in the bathroom/lock room at the academy.. That didn’t work this time. Scott Salton comes in there raging pissed. So we get up and head in..and suddenly we’re doing my biggest fear: climbing the rope.. I don’t know why.. I had no fear of getting my ass kicked by a 40 year old, but that climbing rope was the bane of my existence. It was my nemesis. I am positive it was no coincidence that I was caught sleeping and suddenly I have to climb this thing.
So ya… I don’t understand this well enough to make a judgement on it, but I do know that this was part of some sort of brain washing…
I’ve been busy as heck! It isn’t as though I have forgot about this, or it has become any less important. I will try my best to make new postings in a timely fashion.
http://cultmember.wordpress.com/2012/02/13/trying-to-see-the-light/ as you can see, someone posted a comment claiming to be Kim’s cousin. Seems legit.. But hey, that’s new and interesting? ya?
I was driving down 880 the other day and spotted Kim’s new Lighthouse building that was recently purchased (according to Bullshido reports) and it kinda nudged on me to write. It’s hard after so many years… I go WEEKS without thinking about this woman… I am mostly beyond the whole situation. Sometimes all it takes is a quick reminder like seeing that new building. So here I am on one of my busiest work days ever typing about the lady
Don’t think I have given up. Work has just recently become very busy.
I have some more stories to tell. and will begin posting again soon!
During my research, my time laying in bed at night processing the day, or even sharing drinks with another exer from the cult, I find myself reminiscing. Any one of us exers would be lying to say that our time in Kimmie’s cult was all bad.
Just today I was looking at the picture of an instructor, which they captioned something about how excited they were to be working on the Jung SuWon testing videos and finishing them up. It gave me the perspective I had when I joined COL, momentarily.
Let me throw out an idea here.. You like working out… Training in martial arts.. being healthy.. photography and video are fun? Wanna play with computers?? we have those too. It’s really a compelling scenario for many. Imagine your hobby becoming your job? You don’t really have any marketable skills but you suddenly have a “nice title” at a computer company, with engineer attached to it.
It’s important for me to remember the reason we joined. Kim reported to be a master of the “life force”.. Ki Energy! How awesome is that? She can teach you how to have control over yourself from the inside out… Fight human desire with self discipline…
Looking back with my 20/20 hindsight I see the dark lining to the concepts of COL…You really think with all of this Ki Energy mastery, that it will enhance your art and music. What instead you find is that you’re working 13 hours a day… You feel like your life has purpose because you are working in relative unison to “spread grandmaster’s light.”
I was in for three and a half years, and it took me another 3 of being out to ever say one negative thing about Kimmie and this cult.
The people who are in genuinely enjoy themselves. They believe they are working towards a higher purpose. Once events happen to cast doubt, or frustration.. Things can change. I have been trying to pinpoint what it was for me. I was 15 and often feel that my adolescent hormonal desires led me out.. But there was a lot of things. The abuse that I witnessed; My traveling to a foreign country and gaining a perspective about my COL world; another boy being publicly berated over the possibility that he was not a heterosexual; every COL member being publicly berated over masturbation in COL class.
I look at events that happened and recognize small turning points in how I felt about Kim.
One interesting one was one time I stayed at my dad’s for the weekend. He worked cash jobs and had a wad of 50′s and 100′s in the bathroom. Knowing that my mom often didn’t have lunch money for me at school, I took it upon myself to take $50 from my father without asking.. For lunch… I was embarrassed to ask because I knew it would reflect poorly on Kim, who I held protectively.
My dad dropped me off at Lighthouse, and gave me a $50 bill and said it’s for me and whatever I need… I suspect he knew I took the first 50, and gave me the second knowing I was ashamed to have to steal from him. This event really stuck with me. I believe it eventually drove me out. The fact that I could not rely on my mother or Tae Yun Kim to provide me a meal.. But that I knew my dad could…
Like I started… perhaps I have it all wrong? I think COLers are genuinely happy, until they’re not.. I don’t even think they could be diagnosed as depressed in COL, because of the high they exhibit.
Ignorance is bliss.
In February 2003 I started communicating with my family about the cult for the first time. At this point in my leaving, I still called her grandmaster, reading how many times I say it is very obnoxious, so I apologize ahead of time.
The email to my grandma starts abruptly, as it was a follow up from a prior phone conversation. This is the first time I ever spoke to anyone in my family besides my mother or wife about the Tae Yun Kim’s group.
This is part 1 of 3 of some “getting my mom out” emails.
Also, just wanted to brief you and grandpa on why my
mom moved out and everything. She had been in
miserable in Grandmaster’s cult (COL for short) since
about june 2001. In June 2002, she started sharing
this with me that she desperately wanted to leave and
it was a bad situation and she didn’t know what to do.
I was seeing a counselor through work at the time too
who I talked with this about, she even gave me numbers
of sspecialists in the field of families and cults.
Even one night in July when Shannin and I stopped by
to see her, my mom left and took us out so she could
talk to us for a few. Well during those first few
minutes Grandmaster called her, asked if I was there,
asked her to stop the car and step out so she could
talk to my mom (on the phone). My mom was out of the
car for over an hour, crying because of the things,
which I am not sure to this day, what she said to my
mom. My distrus for Ms. Kim became a near hate at
this point. Well finally my mom got the balls in
November to finally call it quits. When I was staying
in san jose for training she cam by a lot of nights
and we went on the interent together and tried to find
her a job and what not. She was very excited and
scared. It was difficult. I can’t imagine starting
my life over at 19 let alone 44, but it was a good
decision. It is a very rough atmosphere in COL, with
lots of discouragment, sleep deprevation and what not.
You feel like unless you have grandmasters blessing
you wont be able to live. It wasn’t until recently I
was really able to get out there and talk about my
Anyway back on track. Ms. Kim had a “special program”
with my mom for 2 days before she left to come here,
and a special dinner with her COL boyfriend 4 days
before. Special program means sleep deprivation in
COL terms. And all the suddenly when my mom moved in
with me she brought her boyfriend to help her. I was
shocked, and so was shannin. My mom told me on her
first night that grand master had made her realize the
only reason that she was leaving was that she had
unresolved issues with me and still thinks im 10,
which she didn’t have until that day, so for the 3
weeks she treated me like a 10 year old, and we didn’t
get along, and she had no ambition to even work
because she knew her job was waiting for her when she
got back. And she couldn’t wait to get back.
This made me sad, all that work for nothing. And last
night I told her how I felt again, very supportively
and she emailed me that she cried so much. She knew
what my oppinions are but she gets so brainwashed all
she can think about is who she met this week who is
SOOO famous and how nice they are and how popular
I just wanted to share with you some of the things
that have happened. It makes me said, my mom is sooo
brainwashed, i don’t even know her anymore.
i love you guys and hope that someday my mom can get
out on her own.
Please keep these things confidential from her for
now. The way grandmaster is, my mom will think I am
conspiring against Grandmaster. She thinks Stan Durst
did that, when he was just trying to help his kid get
It’s been a light week due to my schedule. However I wanted to let anyone following the blog directly, we have a lot of commenting over on our facebook page which can be found on the right side of this page, or at http://www.facebook.com/cultmember
We have over 150 daily unique viewers. So, it;s going strong. There is clearly a lot of people interested in this group, and I wanted to thank you for listening. It is therapeutic for me. We may have another contributor coming in the near future! Please checkout the comments on our facebook.
One thing I often shy away from is talking about the mental effects of Tae Yun Kim’s cult. It’s been almost 13 years since I’ve seen the lady. Yet I still have the side effects of our effed up relationship floating around in me. Before I started blogging I would go weeks at a time where I didn’t think about my experiences in COL. It isn’t as though the effects of being in the cult weren’t present though.
There was always an unsaid presence between my mother and I. (sometimes it was even verbal) That if I spoke negatively about Kim to her, that my mother would have no choice but to disown me. The 4 years that I was out, that preceded my mother leaving were very hard.
Being that my mother had to report in to Kim what she was up to, something always seemed to come up when we were hanging out. How dare my mother spend more than an hour with me on my birthday.
I actually never really thought negatively about Kimmie it started to become apparent the things that were happening behind my back:
- The COL kids (who were 16 and 18 respectively) were told when I was 16 that I lost my virginity and was going down a negative path.
- That my child was going to be a negative energy center, implications, maybe even directly saying that he was evil, to my mother and other COL members.
- Kimmie scolding my mother, in front on my grandmother..
- My mother was told how to handle me and my energy at our wedding; She was told to wear a hot pink dress to our wedding… Upstaging the bride, which we all know is a big no-no at weddings.
- I wasn’t allowed to hang out with my best friend or his sister. It was considered negative… It just wasn’t allowed.
These things were the last straw in me. I had never really talked to anyone about Kim; Let alone negatively.
It wasn’t fair that despite trying to have a positive relationship with my mother that she was being steered to not. I started collecting my own opinion about Kimmie. I did my own research. I knew who this woman was… So I started planting seeds with my mom.
I realized that if I always made her happy, and never expressed my discontent with Kimmie that she wouldn’t ever get out.
When we went into COL only one person spoke up; My father. He even went to my grandparents, his ex-in-laws, and pleaded with them. My dad and his friend Dan were the only ones who spoke up. They told me what they thought, and it sat with my. My grandparents? They did like every successful cultmember’s parent do and sat by and watched… judged… had an opinion, but didn’t share it.
I guess what I am getting at here, as a message to the masses:
DON’T SIT BY WHILE YOUR CHILDREN, LOVED ONES, OR WHOEVER THEY ARE GET ABUSED. IF YOU THINK THEY ARE GETTING INVOLVED IN SOMETHING, SPEAK UP! TOO MANY KIDS AND FAMILIES ARE SUBJECTED TO THIS, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO ROCK THE BOAT. YOU HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING! SPEAK UP! GROW A PAIR!
If this is all you glean from reading my blog, I feel successful in this venture. I sit here with PTSD from the events that happened in the cult, and that followed up, especially getting my mom out. I am forever broken. However that doesn’t mean I can’t get better, and this is part of that healing process. Making sure the word about this woman, who destroys families, to this day… to this MINUTE, is out there… That way when people join COL, or even Jung SuWon, they know who this person really is, underneath all of that makeup and plastic surgery.
The one thing everyone leaves COL with is Post Traumatic Stress Disorder… PTSD